Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. Some of the things that helped me escape depression were some of the very things you have criticized and condemned going back a year or more on this blog, under other blog posts. – how can you claim the real reason for someone ceasing to believe without “imputing views”? As children we find meaning in wonder. You can watch online here. Be interesting to see if a lot of these movements don’t have their foundations in Mormonism, researching! In this podcast interview, Christianity Today reporter Daniel Silliman explains how he investigated this story. This woman is ceremonially unclean. Maybe you should have left it with the question and waited for a reply. Mark “You’re just parroting what the preachers are saying.” No, I just relating my real world experience. ( Log Out / Matthew 11:19 “The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds.” Judge not, lest ye be judged. I posted the first video above with my comments (below) in June of 2016. Are you saying that you have made no lifestyle choices and affirm no lifestyle choices that put you at opposition with God? From everlasting I was established, From the beginning, from the earliest times of the earth. May we all be "wounded healers" who do no harm. Or is it simply the ignorance of well-meaning complementarians? Which is not even getting into the FACT that these are two very different circumstances. No one seems to have answers anymore. Thanks for mentioning other articles/authors also and Truth Seekers. “He has to put it right” – exactly how do we “put our sins right” before God? The program usually involve testimonies, but this year the administration came to me with a request: “Ravi, we want you to preach.” It was a great honor.”. As time went on though, her errors became ever more serious, and she really did end up teaching Christians that immorality was fine in God’s sight when it came to LGBT etc. I briefly thought about the timing of this post, coinciding with his death. That is pretty common among conservative Christians (and I’m no liberal). Yes, God can snap his fingers and remove sin and its desire, but we just don’t see that as a pattern. I have a feeling you had written that post months ago, He needs to look up Ezekiel 34 to see how God deals with spiritual abusers who harm those in their care. His conscience will plague him. Once someone is inside the family, “Sin” is definitely not fitting for someone in the family, but there is no fear of being kicked out of the family because of it. The difference is that Jesus was NOT a betrayer, blah blah….Can’t say the same for Ravi, can we? Ravi Zacharias is a world renowned Christian evangelist who has written over a dozen books. KAS, “That’s certainly been my experience of those who cease to believe: the real reason has always be[en] moral” … “you accuse me of being a Pharisee on the basis of views you have imputed to me! Do we really know what sins God is working on in other people? Far from it. Yes. There is massive damage being done at the moment with this in the Church of England at present, replete with the usual nastiness of the progressive lobby. So forgiveness is available, but not for those who continue with such behaviour … To say otherwise is to negate the Christian gospel. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.” 1 Corinthians 5, “Behold, if it is true and the thing certain that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then you shall bring out that man or that woman who has done this evil deed to your gates, that is, the man or the woman, and you shall stone them to death.” Deuteronomy 17 For the time being, I just want to say: There’s really not much more to say, right, SKIJ? I would also include knee-jerk defences of him as well. You can end up participating in other people’s sins and agendas.). If Jesus IS the One and Only True Head of His Body of believers, why do we find strive, reviling, anger, lying and slandering, and pure unadulterated hatred on behalf of those who choose to label themselves as complementarians? I was glad she said at the end she has recovered her faith, her marriage and was more in love with hubby than ever. In Proverbs, Wisdom is the personification of the master workman who implemented the plans for creation, and wisdom is from everlasting. In 2016, Ravi had begun a sexting relationship, which bothered the Christian woman so much she resolved to tell her husband. To say otherwise is to negate the Christian gospel. You belong to a religion which tells you that you are to treat others with kindness and compassion, but I’ve not seen that from you. We also see the picture of the mother hen in Wisdom. I’m not so bothered by the credentials – that didn’t harm anyone, it only harmed his and/or his ministry’s reputation for integrity. Uncleanness and wickedness are treated nearly synonymously in the Old Testament. When you exclude the gospel from a class of people based on their deeds, you are first saying that YOUR deeds aren’t bad enough to deserve grace, and then you are saying that their deeds are. If you had been following trends in society and the institutional church, for example in the Church of England (which you won’t have but it’s more on my doorstep) you would see more of what I am getting at with the mother God concept. Self aggrandisement for his own personal gain (money, popularity, whatever). Out of our wounds flow compassion, understanding, & grace. That’s bass-ackward as they say here. That idol is patriarchy. “LET HE WHO HAS NOT SINNED, CAST THE FIRST STONE”…THE STONE HAS BEEN CAST & GOD IS THE ONLY JUDGE…NOT US! As an exception I listened to her appeal on the Internet. If David can be a man after God’s own heart and yet be an adulterer and murderer, then who are we to say that someone cannot be a Christian who lives an unrighteous lifestyle? Discover how much the famous Religious Leader is worth in 2021. I cannot but compare the ongoing saga of allegations and counter-claims against RZ with the death of Rachel Held Evans. I will have to think about these things, as sin is not graded in the Bible, but all is equally an affront to God, and all paid for by Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf. SKIJ – I hope you get a chance to unwind and recover. I am sure that there will be more of them than people he may have hurt. I mentioned some of the allegations against him at another site and was severely rebuked, then my reply to that rebuke was placed in indefinite limbo. Proverbs 8:1-3, 22-23, 30-31 “Does not wisdom call, And understanding lift up her voice? Evans was massively deceived about this, and it is right to warn people off her written legacy. And scoffers delight themselves in scoffing And fools hate knowledge? (Source amongst others: Anglican Unscripted.) Feb 22, 2018 - Explore Lucky Brandy's board "Dr. Ravi Zacharias", followed by 152 people on Pinterest. So, if it is apostate to refer to God as mother or female, why do the Bible and Jesus, specifically, seem to be fine with the apostasy? A 2-second YouTube video clip of Ravi Zacharias (2019); used in accordance with the U.S. Fair Use Act LTRJ Note: The following news story is posted for informational and research purposes and is going to be difficult for some to read. The elders proudly got up and declared him kicked out of the church for his “sin”. My former denomination had a seminary that has been “orthodox” for over 100 years. However, other people didn’t realize that and when she would lie to them, they would freak out and expect us to punish her. “p’astorhood,” lording it over others as stated by the precepts of Jesus Christ. - Ravi Zacharias; Ravi Zacharias Islam - Making A Difference In Th... My Dear Friend, Shimon Peres, Has Passed Away - Mi... PM Netanyahu's Rosh Hashana Greeting; Is The Bible The Word Of God? So, it’s then okay to ignore and avoid scripture because it says that which you refuse to believe? This should not be ignored, a very serious issue. Ravi Zacharias Faithful Thinkers: 11 Quotes From Ravi Zacharias On ... . You teach heresy, KAS, as in complementarianism, even though comp has damaged many women including myself and I believe your daughter. And KAS, do you not have that Heavenly God Given gift of love, compassion, and empathy, towards those sheep (born again believers), with whom are hurting, struggling, beling treated as slaves in this modern world, and used and abused…….to build up m’an’s systems…..rather than pointing people to an eternal Savior? With her there was criticism of the response of some to her untimely death (a willingness to assign her eternal destiny), notwithstanding by her own testimony she was well on her way to apostasy and teaching others to follow in the same path. Men who were part of the good ole’ boys club and who praised each other, while behind closed doors worked to gain money and power. SINGLE. Someone had asked me about RZ and I absolutely knew nothing about him and referred them to this site for research, as it’s one of the best. To my mind she made a strategic error in both timing and lack of sympathy for the loss suffered by the family, and perhaps should have gone to them privately. I’m old enough to remember charismatic splits and disputations, and there might be some who left the faith because of that coupled with heavy leadership if I thought hard enough, but of the people I have known well the way out of the faith was via immorality. Every now and again, I debate whether you haven’t actually read your Bible, or whether you willfully refuse to hear. Is there any doubt to this, has the magazine lived up to its nickname of Christianity Astray? It is because we have distorted our picture of God and replaced it with a man-made idol. I CANNOT make it right. It is false and he removed it from his website bio shortly after I informed him that I had discovered it to be false. Thank you SKIJ. | YouTube/The Daily Wire. This label can pertain to men as well as women…….have sat “under” an assembly of god pastor m’an who exhibited the jezebel as he was kicked out of the local baptist c’hurch system while he was “counseling and texting a married woman” with whom he had “fallen in love with…..or in “spiritual terms,” was lusting after……a blatant jezebel characteristic as written in Revelation. How can the visible c’hristian c’hurch system here in America, parallel Islam within the complementarian pseudo-biblical worldview? I will say that I did not agree with Rachel Held Evans myself on every point, and like many liberals, she spent a large time on her Twitter timeline criticizing President Orange (and conservative Christian leaders/ teachers), but I never saw her call out or examine her fellow liberals. Ravi Zacharias was revered in life by millions because in public, he showed the light of life to all who would listen. Serving Kids – the only other comment I have made on this elsewhere was to remind some Ravi admirers about both this incident and the allegation of procuring an abortion. As he pranced back and force above us, speaking as though he was an “agent” of a god, with his sneering and jeering facial expressions (in which I will NEVER EVER forget as long a I live), I believe he was spiritual abusing those of us women within the congregation that dared and cared to question his teachings and behavioral patterns. This one from yesterday, with hard evidence. … and regarding LGBT says of them there and such were some of you. ( Log Out / God bless all of you ! It is a bit difficult to believe he was never really converted and so many around him couldn’t see through it. No hateful comments from me….just truthful comments. Getting one’s self and family out of a spiritually abusive belief-system (and all spiritually abusive belief systems are immoral themselves) requires intellect. Ravi’s corruption has been known for years. My apologies for not replying to you before now. More directly in keeping with the initial topic, I was impressed by the following critique of Zacharias by John Stackhouse, although maybe it could at least have waited until after the funeral. People and their welfare take a back seat to his interpretation of the Bible. Now that is the road to apostasy, and God alone knows how far down it she really went. The last staged sermonette I heard within the local baptist c’hurch, before I bolted out the doors in record speed (perhaps my legs are Olympic bound :)), covered the topic of “the jezebel spirit,” performed amazingly by an assembly of god ordained p’astor m’an, complete with the “haughty eyes, a lying tongue, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush to evil, a false witness that pours out lies, and a person that stirs up conflict within the community.” I do not recall this complimentary p’astor m’an “shedding innocent blood” per the scriptures.”, As I watched this wolf’s performance, the above precepts from Proverbs 6:16-19 were revealed to my mind through what I believe to be the power of GOD, His Holy Spirit. I also thought it wrong to do exposes of Held Evans in the period immediately surrounding her death, and certainly wrong to speculate on her eternal state before God. Mark I think you are overdoing the Pharisee angle. If your faith was built on Ravi Zacharias, you built it on the wrong man. Was it this one? Like it or not she has a huge hurdle to overcome in establishing credibility not least in view of the attempt at getting $5 million – going by the CT report, and the few comments I have seen from those praising Ravi’s ministry who don’t want to listen to ‘detractors’. Never.”. And here, we have a passage where the Bible refers to God as Wisdom incarnate – incarnate in the form of a woman who calls out. Nov 3, 2016 - Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. Thank you one and all, one great comment conversation. You say this may be a false allegation based on your recent conversation with someone who was there? Instead, I’m counting on grace. It must be painful to have churches lauding Ravi and saying “Well done…” Ravi was a public figure. 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