That heat is the work you want to accomplish and in a DC’s case, creating a vacuum. A dust collector will pick up shavings, curls, most sanding dust, etc., but finer stuff will end up going through the bags and float about until settling all over everything. You might have more voltage drop with 110V when connected via a long and thin extension cord, but just don t do that and you ll be OK, at least not worse than with 220V. I replaced the breaker with a 20amp to experiment and it now will start if I cross my fingers. The motor label should say if it’s possible, it will be labeled duel voltage as in 120v/240V. Add to Cart Add to My List. If the windings weren’t there to wire in series or parallel how would the motor use the electricity. -- Working smarter with less tools is a true crafts person... LOL – indeed! In general not taking into account efficiency, Service factor, and other possible losses.since we are talking about the same motor in two configurations the losses would be identical. I apologize for the attitude in my previous post. I'll echo what's been said above. -- Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil - Thomas Mann. You seemed to think someone here may have figured how to run a 110 volt motor on 220. harborfreight.com only has the "new" model number. And it has always worked like a charm for me. Should we quiz you on your knowledge base with the sciences? it all costs money! The sales guy told me my DC was 110/220 and when I looked at the placard, no dice. In other words, the 230volt system is more efficient and less stress on the motor. But that’s another soap box for another thread. http://manuals.chudov.com/ElectricMotors.pdfif you want to change the voltage used to run the motor it is entirely possible but may require disassembly and finding the factory connections made that are tied to the windings. 6652 posts in 3439 days #1 posted 07-05-2015 04:31 PM . To keep it simple ALL the windings are used. I realize that this is not a scientific answer, and I probably should look it up and get the particulars down pat. I too saw all the umpteen cautions written in the owner’s manual. As Loren points out, a DC without the proper bags is just a "fine dust pump", and my experience is that even with a good bag you will probably need an ambient air cleaner as well. My two most important electric tools, the table saw and air compressor, are running on it, and I have not had a single problem in over 34 years. -- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable. I have had my table saw and air comprssor since 1981, use them on a regular basis in my business, and have never had a problem with either one. The motors seem to run like the day they were new. Converting Harbor Freight Dust Collector Motor to 220V? Mrunix forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=85412. I too saw all the umpteen cautions written in the owner s manual. The upper filter bag screens out particles as small as 5 microns - 1/10 the diameter of a human hair. you can get a canister filter instead of the bag on top - mine is made by Wynn - do a search and you'll find them. First, are you sure it is the same model? That said, I can’t recall anyone mentioning that it is. On other motors several more connections are required because a loose wire has to be attached to the winding end an brought out to where a user can configure them for voltage, Still more connections of this type are required so that the rotation can be changed. However, there are many people who view that as an open invitation to experiment. The one I have, as it comes from the factory is not able to be converted, to 220V. The answers given are correct, unless the motor is labeled for 120/240 (dual voltage) you cannot change it to 240V. The Festool dust collector CT 26 E is not cheap but offers a great bang for the buck. I’d just love to know how it came out. That’s all I’m saying. I am trying to help. Trying to draw an amount of energy through a small straw is less efficient than sucking through two straws. Some machine tools require a predetermined rotation and voltage, a requirement of the manufacturer, so all the connections are made inside the motor housing and only the wires for the incoming power are available for the user to install the plug or replace the capacitor, but the connections are still there, inside the motor. I thought it was a very good read, not at all filled with attitude, and indeed called for. Was the link at all helpfull? Connect with Harbor Freight Tools. So the start/stop is hard wired with a … Call +91-8048762567. -- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If we all went down town to ask the experts for our questions then this forum wouldn’t exist. Have you ever talked to a motor shop and asked how they could change the voltage of the motor and if it would do what you think it would? If you … Also, my understanding is that this motor is not set up for dual voltages, so I am stuck with the 115v approach. I'd like to avoid getting 220V if possible because it would be an expensive install (my shop is an old recording studio with some fancy sound proofed walls). So, I ignore the placard and remove the plate on the motor and voila! for 110v 746watts divided by 110 volts equals 6.78 amps. Converting Harbor Freight Dust Collector Motor to 220V? Well, not to step in the middle of the electrical discussion, but it seems like the discussion is heavily focused on the voltage to the motor without much info on what is happening in the motor. This guy at the link below, is saying pretty much what I have been saying. Not only is this guy a stellar woodworker, he happens to be BLIND! Don't ever ask a barber if you need a haircut. Trying to teach problem solving with the least amount of steps. ABSOLUTELY true! 1 hp is equal to 746 watts. My latest HF catalog has the HF 2hp DC on sale for just under $150. You simply CANNOT ground an insulator, PERIOD. Lowering the current and raising the voltage reduces this wasted heat. I also have a 15% on any item cupon, which brings it down to about $128. Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. When I bought, I was interested in something that could move sawdust, I bought an air filtration unit to handle the fine particles.But please look at the other dust collectors mentioned in this thread and you will find that some of them also only filter to 30 microns, namely the Jets and Deltas.Lets' do the math Jet DC-1100A 1-1/2 HP 1100 CFM down to 30 microns = $425 or the Delta 50-850 115 … And I told you the motor shops are the only ones who can do this. | Privacy Policy What do you HF 2hp DC owners think? I was also in the middle of adding quite a few 110v outlets in addition to 220v in my garage. there is a balance between volts, amps and watts. I'm considering a few options: Keep the Harbor Freight 2HP dust collector and add a Super Dust Deputy cyclone. All times are GMT-5. Probably 50/50 chance. We have invested millions of dollars in our own test labs and factories. Oneida Air Systems The Industry Leader in Dust Collection. The starting characteristics of a single phase motor with a capacitor also may change, as the capacitor is not optimal for both configurations. (Obviously, I don’t have one.) You will probably find it cheaper to buy a new motor which may cost more than the dust collector. We actually get similar questions a lot. 110×6.78 amps/winding pair in paralell =746 watts. https://www.sawdustzone.org/forum/di...sked-questions, http://www.wynnenv.com/9e300bl_conversion.htm. To the best of my knowledge I asked a straight forward question: was it possible, and had it been done. If you don't go past about 400 grit, most of it will be large enough to be filtered out. If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing? Ambala, Haryana. Lining the inside of the enclosure with rigid foamboard or “egg-crate” acoustic foam will further deaden noise. you are not choosing whether or not to convey voltage across town or even across the shop or more efficiently inside the motor. Add to Cart Add to My List. I thought they changed the model number and did something else (plastic lower bag if I remember correctly) on the lower micron bag unit. The expense of a device that sits around collecting dust is always difficult to justify, … This German company has been manufacturing top-tier tools for almost a century now. You asked a question and I just wanted to give you the shortest way to the answer. Latest Projects | The HF motor/blower setup has poor performance at higher static pressures, so the HF setup simple creates enough back pressure that the motor just doesn’t move enough air to need to draw 2 HP. The wattage is not required to break into a sweat with more highway. by John L posted 07-05-2015 04:14 PM . Thirty-five years of almost constant use on these two machines and never a problem really does speak for itself. I m curious, has anyone managed to convert the so called 2hp Harbor Freight dust collection motor from 110v to 220v? Here's the info on the Wynn filter conversion. I’ve given it a cursory look, but haven’t found it yet. 220×3.39 Because they are in series still gives you a total of 746 watts. --Starting with assembly:--You end up doing quite of bit of assembly with this unit, not just 2 or 3 connections. At either voltage. Bang bang. This also should hopefully help to explain some of the discussion above about convertible motors. Air Foxx UFO-40H at $299.99. Fast forward to near completion of the shop and I mention to a coworker my disdain for the DC’s lack 220v operation. That said, I can’t recall anyone mentioning that it is. David Curly Wood Shop on Etsy David Falkner - Woodworking YouTube channel and Instagram Our music at church - current videos Airline Baptist BC Facebook Live Romans 3:23. If it’s not marked its not possible because it doesn’t have a second set of windings to put in parallel or series for the different voltages. Save $215.00. When fed with 240 the windings are in series and the windings still only see 120 each. But I do know a good bit about geology, Paleotology, and am a graduate Physical Anthropologist. There will be no “hack” to make it 240V if it was not designed that way. If it really was possible, it would be nice to know about. So, if you have a 1HP motor running on 110v, the motor will have 6.78 amps passing through it. This looks like a good buy to me. 70 gallon 2 HP High Flow High Capacity Dust Collector $ 209 99. Compare to. Thanks, Papa Tags: None. You are indeed correct Brad. We had to go back for her.........................Twice. My reply, “no offense Terry, but you’re blind!” He laughs and assures me. I somehow thought we were all here to help, rather than ridicule. -- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, … Challenging but certainly not impossible. Material: … | Copyright This machine is also fitted with the 110V PSI Long Ranger remote. I purchased a dust collector from Harbor freight that works great when attached to the wall outlet, but when I attached it to an Opto22 relay to be controlled programmatically it blew the 30A fuse on the 120v side of the Opto22 that I had placed in-line. Harbor Freight 2hp Dust Collector 11-23-2008, 04:13 PM. Voltage: 220V. It has worked great. Product Overview This 2 HP dust collector delivers powerful dust collection exactly where you need it. Talking on Lumberjocks all day isn’t going to reveal any secrets except the one I told you. Condition: New. I had had a day of discussions with people about everything from vaccinations to gun control. The HF motor is indeed capable of providing 2 HP of work, but a dust collector does more work when it moves more air. You don t have to have a degree in every field but havingExperts you can go to can go along way. There are not a lot of advantages to running on 240v instead of 120v, and certainly not enough to, IMHO, to risk trashing the motor (or worse) trying to do so. Features: RF remote control system for your dust collection unit; Works with the Jet DC-1200 series Dust Collector; Allows you to turn your unit on or off from across the room with no line of sight necessary; No wiring necessary, just plug your machine … Central … I have a motor shop I work with and I can’t help but laughing every time I read the junk on the web about motors and electricity. I ruined a crappy iSocket switch and bough the iVac switch and trigger the built-in breaker each time. It is entirely possible! It could take a special housing , possibly a terminal board and other additional parts to provide these extras. The “motor shop” taps into the windings. I use the heavy clear plastic bag (the Jet one) on the bottom in a metal garbage can and an aftermarket 1 micron felt bag on top. Ambala Sector Ii Atico House 274 Hsiidc Saha Industrial Growth Centre Saha, Ambala - 133001, Dist. 13 gallon 1 HP High Flow Dust Collector $ 154 99. There is one thing you definitely need to acquire. You don’t have to have a degree in every field but havingExperts you can go to can go along way. As others have already said the performance figures are inflated and I'm expecting performance to drop significantly when I start plumbing in some dust lines to other machines as my shop is starting to take shape. The reason for this is, these devices put off smaller dust particles, not chips or shavings, and this machine handles these situations very well. The reason why I originally asked the question is because I have converted my Crastsman table saw and air compressor from 115v to 230v. I have been using mine for over 3 years with no problems at all. Some of those who have responded as though they are the epitome of intelligence have the least potential for knowledge. A wash for heat, power and use. I can’t give you the equations and all the sterile academic speak. Here is a link to explain windings and their configurations in detail. LOL! Dust collection systems for over two decades oneida … If all coil ends are connected to the terminal you can connect them in parallel ( lower voltage) or series (higher voltage). I’m coming from the amperage perspective and you are looking at it from the voltage perspective. 220v capable. transmission wire size is not determined by voltage or watts it is sized by amperage, resistance is kept at a minimum. home | projects | blog. hoses to pick up large chips from jointers, saws, shapers and planers. Hence there are two lines running through the motor to accommodate the traffic. I’m not an electrician, just a lowly physical anthropologist, but I do remember being taught along this line in my science classes in high school, way back in the late 50s, early 60s. 13 gallon 1 HP High Flow Dust Collector. I’m an electrical engineer and can’t help but comment with my $0.02 on this topic. About three years ago I bought this set from Harbor Freight for my HF 2HP dust collector, shop vac, and window mounted fan (for when I spray lacquer). Then I tried one of those cheep remotes. you have the same wire doing the SAME work in two different configurations. I assume you got your info on the web and not from an electrical engineer! Latest Blog Entries | of the reverse were true current draw would decrease the harder a motor was worked rather than increasing due to back emf. It may require disassembly of the motor, the use of a volt/ohm meter to find the individual windings and their ends. Fred Hargis. (it's the first time I've ever complained about a harbor … Jet 708636D RF Remote Control 220V, for Dust Collectors. Dust collectors often fit conveniently into corners, so adding a two-sided enclosure is a simple way to start. Looking at mine I picked up a month ago, there are no extra terminal post in the box that also contains the switch for dual voltage hook up. when you rewire the motor for 220 the wingdings are in series wattage is equal in both cases across PAIRS of wingdings. With 1 phase motors there are usually two coils in the winding. If there was no advantage of running at a higher voltage, then why do we transmit voltage over long distances at a VERY high voltage? And the more amperage, the harder it has to work, thus cutting its life expectancy. And that’s why I have had Zero problems with either motor in my table saw and air compressor. Registration is simple and free and removes most advertising. I hope to keep learning how woodworking has changed in the last 20 years! Between sale price and coupon, the price was low enough that I took the plunge and bought the HF 2HP DC. Save $145.00. they also … Harbor freight hp dust collector modification am by wuddoc comments a number of ljs have written about the quality, problems, solutions and modifications concerning the harbor freight hp gal dust collector we have encountered all the same kinds of problems and decided to modify the unit. It was unnecessary and uncalled for. Any time you cut down on your amperage requirement, the less strain on the circuit. The current that goes through the motor’s winding is always the same, otherwise the rotor would not turn or the winding would get fried in a matter of seconds. I think you are reading a bit more in it than I intended. Nonsense! Essentially, to be convertible by the end user, each winding has to have a wire which runs to the outside of the motor housing so the user can effectively change how the motor is wired (windings linked in series or parallel). Now, I can talk Quatenary Science, and early hominids, all day long and never miss a beat…...............:). Trying to get a single voltage motor to run on a higher voltage that it wasn’t designed for usually ends with letting the magic smoke out of the motor. I have the original HF DC with a Jet canister that I added on(picked up used) and have put in the Thein baffle, all told, I have about $275 into it including taxes. (Obviously, I don’t have one.). Shop Fox W1685 at $424.99. It will take some reading and searches on the net, but it will be worth it in the end, Either the comic relief you get when you can sit back and read some comments that people make about things they really know nothing about. As the Timex commercial went, “They take a licking, but keep on ticking.”. The HF 2HP DC is OK, just remember its got a smaller impellor than the seemingly equivalent or slightly worse spec Jet, Delta, and Penn State 1.5 to 2 HP units... the CFM rating of the HF unit is way overstated and its actually below those units in air moving capacity, but better than 1 HP units. The other day it tripped the breaker when starting up. harborfreightusa.com has both. One other thing I’d address is that this thread starts with the “so called” 2 HP HF motor. I never even implied you should have an electrical degree. H5397 220V Remote Dust Collector Switch ... so I bought the Harbor Freight 2HP Dust Collector after hearing wonderful reviews about it. I told him I wished I paid attention to my DC because I want to run all tools at 220v that I can. Compare to. and they would work the same. -- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress. My latest HF catalog has the HF 2hp DC on sale for just under $150. You must register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. Now, for some practical EE… Someone said above that lowering the current will help prolong the life of a motor. If it doesn’t have 120/240 listed on the motors data plate, you are SOL. The satisfaction you get from the things you have learned, and the opportunity to show others! the windings are designed for 120 volts. consider why the manufacturer would make one that would only run on one voltage. Another advantage is you can have higher gauge (smaller) wire since less current is needed to accomplish the same task. Which is supplied by one leg.for 220v 746watts divided by 220 volts equals 3.39 amps but you have to multiply by 2 because the power is supplied by two legs out of phase with each other to provide 220 phase to phase hence still the 6,78 amp system total. I am trying to help. Ergo, I didn’t run 220v to where it was going to be positioned. What do you HF 2hp DC owners think? ExI=watts Or VOLTS x amps = watts. She couldn't tell the difference between the escape pod, and the bathroom. I see a lot of people who measure the motor amps and say the motor itself is mis-labeled and is really only 1.5HP, but the motor only draws as much current as it needs to to do the work required and the HF design only requires 1.5HP of work. I would imagine there would be a ‘hack’ somewhere. Contact Supplier Request a quote. My point was to ask the source that could give the correct answer with the least amount of questions. Join Date: Dec 2002; Posts: 18520; Location: Katy, TX, USA. The very first thing I did when unpacking the unit was to plug the motor in to make sure it ran. They spend their time bashing what others have said and only bring their mouth to the table. Harbor Freight 2Hp Dust Collector. Basically, that’s it. So, my Harbor Freight dust collector is dedicated to my table saw and bandsaw. Thought i would share a great solution for a remote dust collector switch on a budget. Do you treat your customers this way? So, correctly stated above, E(voltage) * I(current) = watts and 746 watts = 1HP. I do wonder if a “hack” is possible….But I don t know enough about motors, to even contemplate it. It works adequately when wheeled around and hooked directly to a machine and has served in my make ship shop for about a year and a half. Lots of motor myths out there. This 2 HP Dust Collector with Aluminum Impeller is designed to capture dust and wood chips from woodworking machines, such as table saws, jointers and planers. That is why there are people, such as yourself, to do other things for others, and also make a living at it. But remember, walling off a noisy dust collector also puts the chip bin out of … https://www.inyopools.com/blog/does-using-230-voltage-save-money/. I consider the canister or upgraded bags as a requirement though, the stockers still dump a ton of fines in the air. Stated above, E ( voltage ) you can post: click the register above! 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