I’m sure I can find the reference.. *internal argument went on about about Olmecs, Toltecs, Maya and other Native American people being the Book of Mormon people, but the dialog broke down with charges of someone fitting square pegs into round holes and the other having no faith and lookin for reasons to disbelieve…*. In Ether 3, the brother of Jared approached the Lord with sixteen stones to light the Jaredite barges as they traveled to the promised land. Why didn’t they cut out unimportant details? He had such great faith that he was able to see the physical personage of the Lord. *) is told to gather Jared and his family and friends. One might think that Jared is more of a political leader, even though his brother is clearly the more spiritual one, and it is Jared’s political importance that makes him the one with the name recognition. And for the space of three hours did the Lord talk with the brother of Jared, and chastened him because he remembered not to call upon the name of the Lord.” (Ether 2:14.) I should have remembered Eve. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nORKtRu7nYs/UuEZOioKoOI/AAAAAAAACRg/K80Ar1kNd7Y/s1600/Jared%27s+Family+Group+Worksheet.jpg, Tikitikitembonosarembocharibariruchipipperripembo But Pagag refuses, as do all his brothers, apparently appreciating their father’s concerns about kings. Ether 3:21 And it came to pass that the Lord said unto the brother of Jared: Behold, thou shalt not suffer these things which ye have seen and heard to go forth unto the world, until the time cometh that I shall glorify my name in the flesh; wherefore, ye shall treasure up the things which ye have seen and heard, and show it to no man. The scriptures describe the Brother of Jared as “a large and mighty man” (Ether 1:34). Because in the Jaredite language “Brother of Jared” physically took less space than “Mahonri” and the author was trying to conserve space. Temples are the mountain of the Lord’s house in our day. Another possibility is that by Ether’s day, hundreds and even thousands of years later, Moriancumer’s name had been forgotten. Do we refer to the discovery of America by “an Italian”? There’s no indication at all that the 24 gold plates were marred or maimed or damaged in any way, shape or form. The brother of Jared and his people crossed the sea to the Promised Land. Moroni understandably gives us much more detail on Moriancumer than on anyone else in Ether, and may be quoting or closely paraphrasing Moriancumer’s own account a fair bit, since it seems unlikely anyone else would have been making an account at the time with so much detail on such sacred experiences. Both roles will be selected from the “Brother of Jared” auditions. In Ether 2:16 he is again commanded to build barges to cross ‘the great deep’. Kaimi, Thanks! 3) Many characters needed for either “Mahonri” or “Moriancumr”. LDS.org reported that “In 1834 Reynolds Cahoon asked Joseph to bless his newborn son. Edited November 21, 2011 by Doug the Hutt, Dunno. Copyright © 2016 Times & Seasons. The Book of Mormon does not disclose his name, but it was made known through a revelation to the Prophet Joseph Smith as Mahonri Moriancumer (“Questions and Answers” 704–05). However, three of them aren’t BoM women, they are Bible women. Brother of Jared Sees the Finger of the Lord by Robert T. Barrett. When he had finished the blessing he laid the child on the bed, and turning to Elder Cahoon he said, the name I have given your son is the name of the brother of Jared; the Lord has just shown [or revealed] it to me. Jared and his brother relate to each other as brothers, but as far as political leadership goes, Moriancumer is the main event. So the first formal king, after all the other sons refuse, ends up being one of Jared’s sons, Orihah, and with the kingship staying in that line for many generations, Jared is established as the father of the royal line, rather than Moriancumer. You just have to have faith that it’s part of God’s Plan. Here’s my swipe at this much-pondered issue. . Jared asks him to pray for them and their friends, so that their language will not be confounded. So we are especially hopeful to find someone of that description. Because his faith was so great, he was able to see the finger of the Lord. At times, it looks like Jared is telling his brother what to do. The visit of the Lord to the brother of Jared occurs about four years after the tower’s destruction, and before his group embarks on the ocean trip to America. And for the space of three hours did the Lord talk with the brother of Jared, and chastened him because he remembered not to call upon the name of the Lord." Brain, that makes no sense. Good point, Curtis! John the Beloved doesn’t refer to himself by name, and even sometimes just refers to himself generically as a disciple, presumably to avoid seeming to aggrandize himself in his own version of the narrative. The name of this site (LDS Coloring Pages / LDScoloringpages.com) is meant to communicate the intended audience—i.e. We still might wonder, though, after all that: so many other figures get referred to by name, and not just by their relationship to someone else, that even if Jared has more name recognition, why does the brother of Jared not get referred to by his own name? So, back to WHY….it just doesn’t make sense. Joseph Smith learned it by revelation, or at least that’s what it appears that he claimed. The typical answer is that the records we have come through the line of the Brother of Jared. The scriptures contain accounts of Nephi, Moses, the brother of Jared, and the Savior Himself going up to a mountain to commune with our Heavenly Father. Five characters in all (not counting the space) for “the brother of Jared” (?? But as someone named Mahonri, I’m kind of annoyed that you opt to call him Moriancumer. . All of us have such a brother in Jesus Christ, whose mission is to give us immortality and help us all gain eternal life (Moses 1:39). Who put him on to it? Then we account for the fact that others are generally referred to by name by the fact (which I infer) that they are not the primary writers of their narratives, or at least that by the time Moroni is making his abridgment he is not following their own accounts very closely in his rapid survey of the history. He is far more important in the narrative of the Book of Ether than Jared, so why isn't Jared called the brother of Moriancumer instead? Maybe it is because “Mahonri Moriancumer” is so long, after all . And for the space of three hours did the Lord talk with the brother of Jared, and chastened him because he remembered not to call upon the name of the Lord.” (Ether 2:14.) (3 … Elder William F. Cahoon, who was standing near heard the Prophet make this statement to his father; and this was the first time the name of the brother of Jared was known in the Church in this dispensation” (“The Jaredites,” Juvenile Instructor, 1 May 1892, p. 282 n.). Jared and his brother lived in Babel. (Ether 3:20),” KnoWhy 237 (November 23, 2016). See Book of Mormon Central, “Why Did Moroni Use Temple Imagery While Telling the Brother of Jared Story? 2. By contrast, Mahonri alone would take at least five (assuming one writes the final ‘i’), and more if either the ‘a’ or ‘o’ are long. 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This website is not owned by or affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (sometimes called the Mormon or LDS Church). Use it alongside your Come, Follow Me study. Because God didn’t want anyone from 2500-2200BC to 1834 to know Mahonri’s name. Ether may not have known the name, neither by history nor revelation. Thomas, “The Brother of Jared at the Veil,” 391. Following up on Cameron’s point, length may well play a role for an oft-mentioned name in an abridged account. The Brother of Jared's Shining Stones The Brother of Jared's Shining Stones But who gave the brother of Jared the idea about stones in the first place? Leave a reply! The description of Christ touching the stones “one by one” and filling them with light is symbolic of his pattern of personal ministry. Carole, there are actually six named women in the BoM. What may sometimes go unnoticed is the extensive use of temple imagery throughout this visionary account in Ether 3. According to Daddy:”Mormon had enough of engraving long names on the plates while running from his enemies and just said “forget it – I’m using the symbol for brother and leaving it at that”?Also an good explanation for the repeated use of “and it came to pass”. Why didn’t they do that with Ether’s geneology? The story of how we came to know this goes as follows: In Kirtland, during the early days of the Church, a brother Cahoon asked the prophet Joseph Smith to please bless and name his newborn son. His great faith, as noted by Moroni, once caused a mountain, Zerin, to be removed ( Ether 12:30 ). *the brains didn’t feel like speaking to each other anymore today on the subject*. And yes, it’s a ridiculously low number. Why did the brother of Jared build all eight boats before asking God about the light and the air? The Brother of Jared and his family faced many challenges as they prepared to travel to a new land. When they consent, the people choose Pagag, Moriancumer’s firstborn, reinforcing the point that Moriancumer is the primary leader, although he genially shares the role with his brother. His faith and diligence not only allowed him to solve a problem but see the Lord. Ok, I’m clearly having trouble both approaching and answering my question. (Ether 2:14) Here the Lord spends three hours rebuking the brother of Jared for his lack of prayer. 4. Also, in Arab culture, a nickname based on the name of one’s child, called a kunya, “is … frequently used with reference to politicians and other celebrities to indicate respect” (quoting Wikipedia article on “Kunya (Arabic)” accessed 2014-02-15). LDS.org reported that “In 1834 Reynolds Cahoon asked Joseph to bless his newborn son. Rather, it looks like Jared and his brother have the kind of mutual, cooperative relationship one might expect of good-hearted brothers, so that Moriancumer talks to his brother, listens to him, and is happy to do what he asks or follow his advice sometimes, because he is persuaded, or because it’s his brother asking, and not because of any special authority Jared has. See Book of Mormon Central, “Why Did Jesus Minister to the People One by One? The prophet and leader of the founders of the Jaredite race. The exclusion of the name draws attention to the fact that Jared was not left alone, but had a very special brother who intervened in his and his family’s behalf. Joseph named him “Mahonri Moriancumer”, claiming that the Lord had just revealed the name to him: “The actual name of the brother of Jared is not given in the scriptures. Because that part of all 41 occurrences of “Mahonri Moriancumer” on the 24 gold plates were smudged by some hoodlum gra-fe-to-taggers who, for whatever reason, thought it would be funny to erase his name from existence. . The Brother of Jared and his family faced great distress as they anticipated their journey across the ocean. Mmmkay. . Here's my swipe at this much-pondered issue. “While residing in Kirtland Elder Reynolds Cahoon had a son born to him. The Name of the Brother of Jared Arguably the greatest prophet in the Book of Mormon, besides of course the Savior Himself, was the brother of Jared. Joseph named him “Mahonri Moriancumer”, claiming that the Lord had just revealed the name to him: “The actual name of the brother of Jared is not given in the scriptures. I could totally imagine that happening . One day when President Joseph Smith was passing his door he called the Prophet in and asked him to bless and name the baby. Want to express your opinion? But Jared and his brother and their families and friends were not wicked. Maybe Moriancumer did the same sort of thing in his record. This cartoon helps explain it all :-) And for the space of three hours did the Lord talk with the brother of Jared, and chastened him because he remembered not to call upon the name of the Lord. Moroni described the event in language that recalls the revelatory experiences of other prophets, such The numbers in that sad account are keys to the brother of Jared’s problem and to the Master’s solution: four years and three hours. 2) Few or no characters needed to represent the concept of possession (“of”) or definiteness (“the”). He has been one of the active pillars in Africa. I was thinking of Sariah, Abish, Isabel, and Mary. Alma 8: 7–“7 Now it was the custom of the people of Nephi to call their lands, and their cities, and their villages, yea, even all their small villages, after the aname of him who first possessed them; and thus it was with the land of Ammonihah’. and “brother” two (?? They loved the Lord and obeyed Him. Do we teach US History referring to President Brother-of-Billy(Carter)? http://www.ldsces.org/inst_manuals/bm-in-sm1996/bm1996-09-mor.htm#9-3, https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amahonri~%20%2Bsurname%3Acahoon~. The exclusion of the name draws attention to the fact that Jared was not left alone, but had a very special brother who intervened in his and his family’s behalf. 2. Required fields are marked *, You may use these HTML tags and attributes:
. Why did an all-knowing God prepare a plan for barges that had no light and no air? As the scripture puts it, “he remembered not to call upon the name of the Lord.” “It really just proves that JS made the whole thing up. Travis, I really like your suggestion, at least the way I am taking it. Between that and the fact that Ether himself is a descendant of Jared, it is pretty well settled that Jared is the one with the big name, especially by the time the Jaredites have been through several full-scale apostasies, disregarding the prophets, including in the time of Ether. His name is not given in the Book of Mormon, but we learn through modern revelation, that it was Mahonri Moriancumer. The Brother of Jared - Seek and Find Comic. He was clearly enough the de facto leader during his lifetime, but when he became old, the people wanted Jared and him to formally name one of their sons as king (Ether 6:22-3). ), and word order (construct state) takes care of possession and definiteness. This coloring page was inspired by Ether 3 and the stones the Lord touched to light their vessels. 27, p. 282; and in the Improvement Era, vol. The lesson was about Ether 2 and 3 and as I prepared, I read in Ether 2:14 where the brother of Jared has a 3-hour sit-down with the Lord because he has not been praying like he should. By Ether’s day, the Jaredites had been in spiritual decline for a long time, and Ether may have felt it necessary to reinforce the importance and respectability of his religious message by emphasizing that it originated with a man who was the brother of their founder. Other scriptural quotations affirmed aforementioned argument or disposition. Chang, Interesting post! through the work of *extremely*, even comically cautious, revisionist scribes! Since “Moriancumer” appears prominently in Ether while “Mahonri” doesn’t, for now I’m just going with “Moriancumer.”. Joseph did so and gave the boy the name of Mahonri Moriancumer. “There are places in the BoM that tell us that they name the place after the person who found it. : Maher-shalal-hash-baz mā´her—shăl-ăl—hăsh´bäz, Moriancumer mōr-ē-ăn´ka-mer (I’ve always thought this was the surname of Jared and Mahonri — now presenting Jared, and his brother Mahonri, Moriancumer….). So, why is the “Brother of Jared” not called “Mahonri” in the Book of Mormon? Jared isn’t the one to do the gathering. Biblical Jared. Doesn't God know how to design barges? Are you saying that God vandalized the 24 gold plates? Why is the brother of Jared called the brother of Jared? Update: Breaking: Full name of ‘Brother of Jared’ in the book of Mormon revealed: the name is Mahonri Moriancumer–Prophet Joseph Smith’s revelation,1834 New York[RR]Salt Lake City, SLC–According to Doug the Hutt, Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, LDS, “We encounter the five syllable, three word English pseudo-name “brother of Jared” […], Update: Breaking: Full name of ‘Brother of Jared’ in the book of Mormon revealed: the name is Mahonri Moriancumer–Prophet Joseph Smith’s revelation,1834, New York[RR]Salt Lake City, SLC–According to Doug the Hutt, Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, LDS, “We encounter the five syllable, three word English pseudo-name “brother of Jared” 41 times in the Book of Ether, source: http://lds.org/scriptures/search?lang=eng&type=verse&query=%22brother+of+Jared%22. JARED, BROTHER OF. The named women are Sariah, Abish, and Isabel; plus Mary, Eve and Sarah. Neither do you. Why? He is far more important in the narrative of the Book of Ether than Jared, so why isn’t Jared called the brother of Moriancumer instead? I’m not saying anything. Because “Mahonri” was too difficult to spell. It just couldn’t unless we’re working with a very inefficient language…. Nobody has ever produced anything written in such a language.And secondly if they were running out of or trying to conserver space why didn’t they just add more plates, or leave out boring geneological details? So how is it that the line of kings is traced through Jared? The name of the Book of Mormon personality, the brother of Jared, was Mahonri Moriancumer. The Brother of Jared and his family faced great distress as they anticipated their journey across the ocean. ???). 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